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Post by mjoelnir on Feb 10, 2017 10:44:59 GMT 1
I think the high stakes in the competition between P&W and CFM to power the -neo has led both manufacturers to commit to optimistic - if not utterly unrealistic - delivery numbers. As far as I remember the CFM was quite concerned about the ramp and production rate. At the moment it does not look that Airbus is able to really hard pushing. No painting and no outfitting in TLS is clearly not the way to accelerate deliveries. So based on these observation I do not see a basis for blaming the OEMs at the moment. Some frames are outfitted at TLS, quite a few frames are painted at CHR. Ceo frames are rolling out. Airbus has slowed neo production and increased ceo production again. There seems to be nobody to blame, but the engine OEMs for the slow neo deliveries. |
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Post by XWB on Feb 10, 2017 11:04:19 GMT 1
I think the high stakes in the competition between P&W and CFM to power the -neo has led both manufacturers to commit to optimistic - if not utterly unrealistic - delivery numbers. As far as I remember the CFM was quite concerned about the ramp and production rate. At the moment it does not look that Airbus is able to really hard pushing. No painting and no outfitting in TLS is clearly not the way to accelerate deliveries. So based on these observation I do not see a basis for blaming the OEMs at the moment. I'm not sure why you think that, but A320 production has been increased to 48 per month (up from 42 per month in early 2016) and we have seen several assembled CFM A320neo's without engines. Production will go further up in 2017. |
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Post by sciing on Feb 10, 2017 11:30:55 GMT 1
There seems to be nobody to blame, but the engine OEMs for the slow neo deliveries. TLS delivered nothing, but a 1 CFM NEO in January. If Airbus is really waiting hard for the engines, why are they not all painted and outfitted in TLS instead sending some of them time consuming to other sites, so that they have to wait for the engines before this could be done? So I wonder how you could come to this black/white conclusions "Nobody but", "Engine delivery is dead"? BTW: 14th NEO 1st flight for a neo this year. |
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Post by sciing on Feb 10, 2017 11:34:02 GMT 1
we have seenseveral assembled CFM A320neo's without engines. Exactly HAVE SEEN  |
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Post by XWB on Feb 10, 2017 11:35:08 GMT 1
There seems to be nobody to blame, but the engine OEMs for the slow neo deliveries. TLS delivered nothing, but a 1 CFM NEO in January. If Airbus is really waiting hard for the engines, why are they not all painted and outfitted in TLS instead sending some of them time consuming to other sites, so that they have to wait for the engines before this could be done? So I wonder how you could come to this black/white conclusions "Nobody but", "Engine delivery is dead"? BTW: 14th NEO 1st flight for a neo this year. The cabin fit facility in TLS is limited and cannot handle all aircraft. Airbus still need to transfer aircraft to XFW. Paint hangars are reserved months in advance. We have seen several SAS/AirAsia/Azul aircraft in storage. That means Airbus produced aircraft without engines, because CFM is running a bit behind schedule. |
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Post by sciing on Feb 10, 2017 11:59:12 GMT 1
TLS delivered nothing, but a 1 CFM NEO in January. If Airbus is really waiting hard for the engines, why are they not all painted and outfitted in TLS instead sending some of them time consuming to other sites, so that they have to wait for the engines before this could be done? So I wonder how you could come to this black/white conclusions "Nobody but", "Engine delivery is dead"? BTW: 14th NEO 1st flight for a neo this year. The cabin fit facility in TLS is limited and cannot handle all aircraft. Airbus still need to transfer aircraft to XFW. Paint hangars are reserved months in advance. We have seen several SAS/AirAsia/Azul aircraft in storage. That means Airbus produced aircraft without engines, because CFM is running a bit behind schedule. A "bit behind" is nothing I disagree. I absolutely understand that Airbus has to find efficient way to handle the backlog. So sending them away from TLS is a sign that enough engines come in now, isn't is? |
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Post by mjoelnir on Feb 10, 2017 12:07:29 GMT 1
There seems to be nobody to blame, but the engine OEMs for the slow neo deliveries. TLS delivered nothing, but a 1 CFM NEO in January. If Airbus is really waiting hard for the engines, why are they not all painted and outfitted in TLS instead sending some of them time consuming to other sites, so that they have to wait for the engines before this could be done? So I wonder how you could come to this black/white conclusions "Nobody but", "Engine delivery is dead"? BTW: 14th NEO 1st flight for a neo this year. The frames to be delivered in January should have had engines in December. And again ceo deliveries did not slow down. In 2016 Airbus delivered 477 ceo, only 16 down from 493 in 2015. This January Airbus delivered 19 ceo compared with 17 ceo in January 2015. The only thing slow in delivery are the neo. There seems to be enough capacity in outfitting and painting to have increased overall A320 series deliveries from 493 frames in 2016 to 545 frames in 2016. Why should Airbus waiting for neo engines paint and outfit neo frames when they can keep up the pace by painting, outfitting and deliver ceo frames were engines are available? Both engine OEM agreed that they are behind in deliveries. P&W has accepted that and CFM has tried to keep it quiet. Yes there are quite a few first flights in January 5 GTF frames and 3 LEAP frames, that makes it 10 GTF engines and 6 LEAP engines. Now in February there have been 2 first flights of LEAP frames, 4 engines, and 3 first flights of GTF frames, 6 engines. That makes it 10 LEAP engines and 16 GTF engines this year. |
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Post by mjoelnir on Feb 11, 2017 13:00:04 GMT 1
First flights with new neo engines this year
LEAP 6 (12 engines)
MSN7409, 7459, 7466, 7472, 7475, 7486
GTF 9 (18 engines)
MSN6772, engines had been removed
MNS7102, 7269, 7329, 7330, 7331, 7333, 7391, 7449
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Post by mjoelnir on Feb 14, 2017 12:34:18 GMT 1
First flights with new neo engines this year edit: LEAP 7 (14 engines) MSN7409, 7459, 7466, 7472, 7475, 7486, 7484GTF 9 (18 engines) MSN6772, engines had been removed MNS7102, 7269, 7329, 7330, 7331, 7333, 7391, 7449 first flight MSN7484 Avianca Brasil |
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Post by mjoelnir on Feb 16, 2017 16:13:52 GMT 1
First flights with new neo engines this year edit: LEAP 7 (14 engines) MSN7409, 7459, 7466, 7472, 7475, 7484, 7486, GTF 10 (20 engines) MSN6772, engines had been removed MNS7102, 7269, 7329, 7330, 7331, 7333, 7391, 7449, 7343first flight MSN7343 China Southern Airlines |
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