mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 26, 2019 1:21:34 GMT 1
XFW is the only FAL that makes A321s ? BFM does make A321 and TSN can make A321. Only TLS can only make A320. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jul 26, 2019 10:57:40 GMT 1
XFW is the only FAL that makes A321s ? BFM does make A321 and TSN can make A321. Only TLS can only make A320. Thanks, I knew there was an anomaly with A321 production site(s), I just sort of had it the wrong way round in my head ! |
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Post by philidor on Jul 27, 2019 11:49:44 GMT 1
Sorry to repeat my previous posts, but this is strictly an A320 family production issue, not a 'general or corporate issue'. The discussion should be moved to a relevant thread which, surprisingly, may not exist.
I suggest to create a 'A320 production - general discussion' thread, and to move the ongoing discussion there.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jul 27, 2019 12:22:22 GMT 1
Sorry to repeat my previous posts, but this is strictly an A320 family production issue, not a 'general or corporate issue'. The discussion should be moved to a relevant thread which, surprisingly, may not exist. I suggest to create a 'A320 production - general discussion' thread, and to move the ongoing discussion there. I Agree. |
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Post by ca350 on Jul 28, 2019 16:59:03 GMT 1
Move all posts discussing the production topic to a new thread.
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 28, 2019 20:58:21 GMT 1
A lot of the frame delivered now have been seen without engines not very long ago. That frames once had engines does not matter a tiny little bit, as it is known that engines were removed to be refurbished, before the frames did a FF or after a few flights. This engine rework has been slow, because of not enough capacity and I assume the removal has been done according to to the ability to refurbish them. Also numbers of new engines did not go to newly build frames, but to keep already delivered frames flying, while engines were refurbished. That of course explains only P&W, but we know also that CFM is slow delivering, not only to Airbus but also to Boeing before the grounding. Fuselage problems should hit any FAL as that should not be FAL specific apart from perhaps faulty fuselages stay in XFW and are not delivered to the other FALs. 6 frames send to DRS for structural rework is not a number explaining 30 to 40 frames being late. Airbus has never produced strictly according to MSN row, as you well know, so one FAL putting out higher MSN numbers does not really tell anything. I am still waiting for any problem that you can define. Everything else is your interpretation of observations and I have a different interpretation pointing to a well known problem, that is still not completely solved. DRS does maybe only a small part of the rework? One last question, why are XFW Deltas A321ceos late? MSN 8822 was seen with engines and painted almost 4 months ago March 30th and did not move! The issue is not limited to neos, I am repeating me! The point is you are lost in speculation. Of course there can be other problems than engines. And there will be frames with special problems. But if you want to declare, that there are special problems at the or one of the FAL in XFW, you have to get a little more specific what it should be. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jul 28, 2019 22:58:44 GMT 1
There is obviously a problem at XFW FAL, we just don't know what it is, the frames come out of FAL and then some of them
sit around for quite a while, with or without engines, so it must be interior fit out problems ? Cabin Flex issues ?
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Post by sciing on Jul 29, 2019 8:29:12 GMT 1
There is obviously a problem at XFW FAL, we just don't know what it is, the frames come out of FAL and then some of them sit around for quite a while, with or without engines, so it must be interior fit out problems ? Cabin Flex issues ? It is not engine, it is not ACF. The stored ceo clearly ruled that out. My simple guess that it is „just“ ramp issues on every front. |
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Post by sciing on Jul 29, 2019 8:41:45 GMT 1
DRS does maybe only a small part of the rework? One last question, why are XFW Deltas A321ceos late? MSN 8822 was seen with engines and painted almost 4 months ago March 30th and did not move! The issue is not limited to neos, I am repeating me! The point is you are lost in speculation. Of course there can be other problems than engines. And there will be frames with special problems. But if you want to declare, that there are special problems at the or one of the FAL in XFW, you have to get a little more specific what it should be. I said there is a general problem (with ramp) overall. You are repeating it is neo engines which does not explain delayed ceos. Off course I have no insight as you so we are speculating, but the signs for a general problem are quite clear. There is no system which kind of frames are delayed. |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Jul 29, 2019 9:31:10 GMT 1
We shouldn't probably look for a sole explanation. There may be more than one ! Talking about XFW, problems may happen at the FAL or at fuselage production (possibly creating a need for rework). One last question, why are XFW Deltas A321ceos late? MSN 8822 was seen with engines and painted almost 4 months ago March 30th and did not move! The issue is not limited to neos, I am repeating me! This may not be a production issue, or even a delay. It might be just a change in customer-preferred delivery dates. |
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