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Post by ff on Feb 24, 2021 10:55:53 GMT 1
This might be the wrong thread to talk about this, please feel free to move around. I actually think "delivery" to TSN is a good thing right now if they want to push the Q1 timeline, especially during the pandemic. Using A330 as an example, once the frame is in TSN, it is guaranteed that it will be taken by a Chinese carrier within reasonable time. As most of Chinese airlines don't want to take delivery of long haul frames, giving TSN 5% of overall work (painting and installing seats) or even less (for painted frames) to encourage delivery is definitely not a bad thing. It certainly free up some space in TLS, no need to ferry frames to CHR, LDE or BOD  |
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Post by ca350 on Feb 24, 2021 10:59:21 GMT 1
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Post by ca350 on Feb 24, 2021 11:12:57 GMT 1
While I agree to most of what you said, there was indeed exception though. MSN 1917, Lucky Air ntu was completed in TSN but then was ferried back to Europe for storage and still sits in the desert. See a380.boards.net/post/147523/thread. Apparently a HNA example would not put much justice on this point, but both Airbus and customers are under an effect of a different beast now called covid. Back to the certainty of deliveries topic. I wouldn't say pushing frames to TSN would make a BIG difference though in that currently the A350 customers in China now are exclusively CN3, which are backed by China central government. Barring the losses, none of them is in any sort of financial difficulty. Let's say the A350s by CA are delayed by a couple months, or even almost a year, there would be no doubt they will still take deliveries in some time. All it takes is a Macron or Merkel's visit to Xi (Also that lone CA 787 sitting in CHS was not taken up due to the engine issue, not related to anything else) |
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Post by ff on Feb 24, 2021 12:05:19 GMT 1
Come on mate, HNA is just a joke. The one major airline group in the Far East I always trying my best to avoid is HNA. Everyone knows it will collapse, its only matter of timing. Back to the topic, ca350 you were spot on - a visit by Merkel's replacement or Macron should guarantee another big order, while Chinese is not dealing with Boeing, 30 or 50 A350 top up order would bring us towards the end of 2020's. If they do a big deal with the completion centre and production of some parts in TSN, 100 order will bring us into 2030's. (But that would kill C929, not sure whether they want to do that though.) Let's wait and see, probably not going to happen very soon though due to political situation. (That CA 787 was due to engine issue from day one, but RR has resolved all relevant issues already. It's just another excuse not to take it and making a political point. The certification of ARJ and C919 is the key point, that frame is just to make this point. Can't see this be resolved anytime soon, could be a permanent NTU in the end.) |
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Post by K on Feb 24, 2021 15:59:08 GMT 1
1. MSN452 will be the first to fly to TSN;
2. For HNA topics, they are just too big to fail, their service/food is quite close to 5 star at least, comparing with the big 3;
3. More orders are good, 30-50 is better, 100 seems to be a tough job.
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Post by ca350 on Mar 2, 2021 0:31:06 GMT 1
From the picture below, it seems one of the MU A350s is in Station 20 hanger doing engine attachment. Could this be a likely candidate to fly to TSN for completion and painting? Cause it seems lately most of the A350s got painted before hanging the engines on them.  DC Mar 1 2021. by Alan PARDOE, on Flickr |
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Post by K on Mar 2, 2021 2:33:48 GMT 1
First few aircraft will fly to TSN with livery (and cabin). MSN452 will get a sticker soon.
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Post by ca350 on Mar 2, 2021 6:14:07 GMT 1
First few aircraft will fly to TSN with livery (and cabin). MSN452 will get a sticker soon. hm ok... What's the point of getting it delivered at TSN though if both painted and cabin-fitted? To work-around the rigorous Chinese quarantine policy like a couple airlines did with their A320neos? |
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Post by ff on Mar 2, 2021 8:00:39 GMT 1
First few aircraft will fly to TSN with livery (and cabin). MSN452 will get a sticker soon. hm ok... What's the point of getting it delivered at TSN though if both painted and cabin-fitted? To work-around the rigorous Chinese quarantine policy like a couple airlines did with their A320neos? Delivery via TSN, you could at least save a lot of import tax for each airlines. |
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Post by K on Mar 2, 2021 8:04:29 GMT 1
There will be a learning curve. As far as I know, most training will be done in Tianjin due to the pandemic, that's to say, to get trained inside the completed cabin. Then the second, third or fifth sixth aircraft will fly without livery/cabin.
For the first A330 (Tianjin Airlines) delivered in Tianjin back to 2017, the cabin outfitting work was done in Toulouse by Chinese and Toulouse employees together.
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