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Post by philidor on Nov 13, 2013 23:29:06 GMT 1
So RR will be the only one for A350 engines in future?! Yea, it would be pretty stupid for an engine company to offer an engine at this point, because many, if not all A350 customers have already chosen RR. Those who did would not change engine manufacturers for their follow-up orders, so there really isn't a market anymore for a second engine, that ship has sailed. You never know what may happen in the future. Ten years from now (or even less) GE or P&W might come up with a new A359 engine ... |
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Post by limoncello on Nov 14, 2013 17:05:01 GMT 1
Yes of course you are right philidor.
But the development of a new engine takes many years
because it have to go through many tests before certification.
So I don't understand that nobody of the great factories
such as GE, P&W or other aren't interested in develope and built
engines for the 3 A350 types.
2 engines for each frame on increasing orders -
that must be a big business.
What's the reason that they wait and RR becomes a monopole position
for the XWB and what want Airbus , what will Airbus do, what can Airbus do?
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Post by Taliesin on Nov 14, 2013 17:29:13 GMT 1
Yea, it would be pretty stupid for an engine company to offer an engine at this point, because many, if not all A350 customers have already chosen RR. Those who did would not change engine manufacturers for their follow-up orders, so there really isn't a market anymore for a second engine, that ship has sailed. You never know what may happen in the future. Ten years from now (or even less) GE or P&W might come up with a new A359 engine ... That's not very likely. It's a big risk for engine company to develop a new engine for an existing airframe, because for this to make sense, market economics need to be just right. If the plane is competitive enough, there isn't enough incentive for existing customers to change to a new engine. If the plane isn't competitive enough, it might not sell well enough, even with new engines. What makes the situations unique for the A380 is that a new engine exists that was developed for another airplane, but fits perfectly anyway. I think the A320NEO and 737MAX are the first commercial airplanes that were re-launched with new engines, ever. The A380 may be the next, or it may not. But the A350 most certainly won't follow suit. |
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Post by eastmids13 on Nov 14, 2013 17:41:19 GMT 1
You never know what may happen in the future. Ten years from now (or even less) GE or P&W might come up with a new A359 engine ... That's not very likely. It's a big risk for engine company to develop a new engine for an existing airframe, because for this to make sense, market economics need to be just right. If the plane is competitive enough, there isn't enough incentive for existing customers to change to a new engine. If the plane isn't competitive enough, it might not sell well enough, even with new engines. What makes the situations unique for the A380 is that a new engine exists that was developed for another airplane, but fits perfectly anyway. I think the A320NEO and 737MAX are the first commercial airplanes that were re-launched with new engines, ever. The A380 may be the next, or it may not. But the A350 most certainly won't follow suit. 1st major components for the Trent 1000 came off in 2009, design started well before that...the cost & leadtime to enter now for the American manufacturers with no orders, & Rolls already on a steep learning curve, may mean that they would not take the risk. Also not 100% sure what the contractual agreements are between Airbus & Rolls with respect to exclusivity. With respect to single aisle, I was amazed that Rolls didn't see it as core business...my opinion is if you can get a very repeatable process for single aisle engine manufacture then it could well be a cash cow...though Rolls makes a lot of it's turnover/profit on monitoring & maintenance. |
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Post by someone on Nov 14, 2013 18:53:14 GMT 1
I think the A320NEO and 737MAX are the first commercial airplanes that were re-launched with new engines, ever. The 737 already have been re-launced with new engines ones when Boeing went from JT8D on the 737-100/200 to the various CFM56s used one 737CL and NG |
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Post by peter on Nov 14, 2013 20:18:06 GMT 1
According to various sources, 31 A350XWB orders were cancelled in 2011/2012. I have found 13 of those to be Etihad. What are the other 18 please?? Bangkok Airways had an order for 6 -800s which they cancelled in 2011, I'm not sure about the other 12 cancellations. Edit, found it, it was DAE Capital in 2011 linkThanks!!  EDIT: I already knew about 4 Bangkok Airways, this leaves two more.... EDIT 2: This could be confusion between the cancellation of the original order for six A350's (replaced by 4 A350XWB's) which were ultimately also cancelled |
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Post by Jkkw on Nov 17, 2013 12:22:04 GMT 1
With Etihad's order for 50 A350s, total A350 orders now stand at 814  . |
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Post by peter on Nov 17, 2013 12:44:56 GMT 1
With Etihad's order for 50 A350s, total A350 orders now stand at 814 . After cancelling 13 -1000's two years ago EY had 12 on order plus 10 options. Am I right to think todays order (for the -1000) was firming up those options? |
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Post by petera380 on Nov 17, 2013 12:55:36 GMT 1
Where can I find the A350 order list as my total doesn't match the 814 listed above?
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Post by XWB on Nov 17, 2013 13:00:45 GMT 1
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