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Post by limoncello on Nov 12, 2013 21:38:30 GMT 1
many thanks sturbucks and XWB for answering.
So RR will be the only one for A350 engines in future?!
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Post by Taliesin on Nov 12, 2013 21:45:20 GMT 1
So RR will be the only one for A350 engines in future?! Yea, it would be pretty stupid for an engine company to offer an engine at this point, because many, if not all A350 customers have already chosen RR. Those who did would not change engine manufacturers for their follow-up orders, so there really isn't a market anymore for a second engine, that ship has sailed. |
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Post by BA380-G-XLEA on Nov 12, 2013 22:09:24 GMT 1
For the A350-1000, RR got exclusivity for the -1000 when they were asked to develop a new engine for the subtype The exclusivity came after GE got the exclusivity on the 777-300 and that continued with the 747-8 where RR offered the Trent 600 |
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Post by limoncello on Nov 12, 2013 22:10:45 GMT 1
But I remember it was difficult for Air France to customize
a A350 order because they don't like RR engines.
At the A380 they have EA engines.
And in each other planes the customer are able to select
between different engines.
May be play an important rule because the service/maintenance
of the engines after Eis of the planes.
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Post by BA380-G-XLEA on Nov 12, 2013 22:14:47 GMT 1
So RR will be the only one for A350 engines in future?! Yea, it would be pretty stupid for an engine company to offer an engine at this point, because many, if not all A350 customers have already chosen RR. Those who did would not change engine manufacturers for their follow-up orders, so there really isn't a market anymore for a second engine, that ship has sailed. it could also change engine orders for the A380 if the XWB engine was offered on larger models, as engines could then be swapped between the two types. This has already been done for years by BA with the 747 and 767 engines. |
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Post by BA380-G-XLEA on Nov 12, 2013 22:18:47 GMT 1
But I remember it was difficult for Air France to customize a A350 order because they don't like RR engines. At the A380 they have EA engines. And in each other planes the customer are able to select between different engines. May be play an important rule because the service/maintenance of the engines after Eis of the planes. This is because Lufthansa has an exclusive deal to third party service RR engines in mainland Europe and Air France could not offer this service. I believe a deal has been struck between RR, Lufthansa and Air France. |
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Post by BA380-G-XLEA on Nov 12, 2013 22:23:57 GMT 1
RR and GE were selected to build the engine for the original A350. GE left the field after Airbus introduced the A350 XWB because they did not want to compete with their own GE90 for the 77W. Exclusivity did not stop the 777-300ER from selling in large numbers. The large sales are only because the type is available now with the delays to other aircraft programme types! |
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Post by XWB on Nov 12, 2013 22:28:43 GMT 1
They don't dislike the RR engines, the issue is that RR does not allow you to do the maintenance. But I believe both parties have worked something out.
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Post by peter on Nov 13, 2013 17:25:03 GMT 1
According to various sources, 31 A350XWB orders were cancelled in 2011/2012. I have found 13 of those to be Etihad.
What are the other 18 please??
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Post by Jkkw on Nov 13, 2013 23:05:21 GMT 1
According to various sources, 31 A350XWB orders were cancelled in 2011/2012. I have found 13 of those to be Etihad. What are the other 18 please?? Bangkok Airways had an order for 6 -800s which they cancelled in 2011, I'm not sure about the other 12 cancellations. Edit, found it, it was DAE Capital in 2011 link |
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