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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 14, 2016 17:57:15 GMT 1
Registering companies at Bermuda happens all the time, Boeing did something similar for some 748 deliveries. If you look at the registrations of most Russian airlines western aircraft they are mainly VP or VQ registered, that helps tell us how they are owned / financed. You can include EI registered ones as well.
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Post by s543 on Jan 14, 2016 22:06:55 GMT 1
Now, of course, the question is : is ANA taking 3, or 3 (owned) +3 (leased) frames ... Philidor you are extremely optimistic - the speculation that ANA would take both Skymark .AND. Transaero frames was made already, but.... It would be nice if it happens.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 14, 2016 23:19:11 GMT 1
Now, of course, the question is : is ANA taking 3, or 3 (owned) +3 (leased) frames ... Philidor you are extremely optimistic - the speculation that ANA would take both Skymark .AND. Transaero frames was made already, but.... It would be nice if it happens.r My thoughts were 8 for ANA !
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Post by philidor on Jan 15, 2016 17:59:26 GMT 1
Philidor you are extremely optimistic - the speculation that ANA would take both Skymark .AND. Transaero frames was made already, but.... It would be nice if it happens. Well, Fabien suggested it and jkkw wrote "I do see Fabien's theory of these 3 aircraft from Air Accord being leased to ANA as possible but my gut feelings says it's unlikely". I am trying to find a reasonable reason for cancelling one Transaero order and transferring the other three to an unknown lessor, and I cannot find any other ... I am not such an optimist - I must confess I have the same gut feeling as jkkw . Is it because we are not accustomed to good A380 news ?
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 15, 2016 18:04:02 GMT 1
Philidor you are extremely optimistic - the speculation that ANA would take both Skymark .AND. Transaero frames was made already, but.... It would be nice if it happens. Well, Fabien suggested it and jkkw wrote "I do see Fabien's theory of these 3 aircraft from Air Accord being leased to ANA as possible but my gut feelings says it's unlikely". I am trying to find a reasonable reason for cancelling one Transaero order and transferring the other three to an unknown lessor, and I cannot find any other ... I am not such an optimist - I must confess I have the same gut feeling as jkkw . Is it because we are not accustomed to good A380 news ? I still go for ANA hoovering up the Skymark / Transaero ones and my be a couple of new frames for a total of 8 frames
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Post by s543 on Jan 15, 2016 19:07:44 GMT 1
I am trying to find a reasonable reason for cancelling one Transaero order and transferring the other three to an unknown lessor, and I cannot find any other ... I would that there is already some work done on 3 pcs and nothing yet on the fourth. We have not seen any convoy but we know that the work is started about a year earlier so it might be ?
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Post by howard on Jan 15, 2016 20:42:44 GMT 1
Registering companies at Bermuda happens all the time, Boeing did something similar for some 748 deliveries. It's not the manufacturers doing the shell companies, but rather the customers. Meaning not Boeing or Airbus.
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Post by philidor on Jan 16, 2016 1:25:30 GMT 1
I would that there is already some work done on 3 pcs and nothing yet on the fourth. I don't believe production start makes any difference. Why keep in your books orders that you have not even started to implement, when you feel compelled to cancel an order for an aircraft that has entered the production process ? I understand that there is a legal difference between orders from a bankrupt airline and orders from a lessor which is not in bankruptcy. All four orders, however, were from Transaero, which makes the transfer of three of them to a lessor quite mysterious.
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Post by s543 on Jan 16, 2016 8:55:08 GMT 1
I would that there is already some work done on 3 pcs and nothing yet on the fourth. I don't believe production start makes any difference. Why keep in your books orders that you have not even started to implement, when you feel compelled cancel an order for an aircraft that has entered the production process ? I understand that there is a legal difference between orders from a bankrupt airline and orders from a lessor which is not in bankruptcy. All four orders, however, were from Transaero, which makes the transfer of three of them to a lessor quite mysterious. Well I believe it makes perfect sense. When there were some money spent on the product you try to get some revenue out of it. When the product is still in the stage when only "papers are signed" you are better off and can "withdraw" with much less pain. When your customer goes to bankruptcy or you see it will end there (Transaero/Skymark) you must do as much as possible to have the smallest possible losses which life brought to you. And losses you have in both cases. If we would be discussing A320 it would be much smaller problems since you would sell those out fairly easily and the transaction cost would be small but with highly customized product and hard to sell like A380 it becomes huge problem and you have to be more vigilant. Another thing is what you want to achieve and what the customer is ready to accept.
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Post by peter on Jan 22, 2016 21:13:44 GMT 1
I can only find (until now) an "Air Accord Ltd". Registered in Bermuda, licence number 46498. But: no website, no email address, no postal address, no phone number, no personnel.....
Good luck Airbus
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