XWB
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Post by XWB on May 19, 2016 14:40:01 GMT 1
New paint hangar under construction in the back.
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A320neo
May 19, 2016 14:52:00 GMT 1
Post by stealthmanbob on May 19, 2016 14:52:00 GMT 1
New paint hangar under construction in the back. No picture.
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mfranjic
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Post by mfranjic on May 19, 2016 15:24:59 GMT 1
How about the PW1135G-JM, any info on the status of the 35,000 thrust model? I haven´t heard if this one has been certified yet, neither its certification sheet exist yet, but this is just a mater of time since this higher thrust rating would require the different FADEC Software and Data Storage Unit (Ratings Plug). No need for a new Bill of Material since the Maximum Continuous rating of the PW1133G-JM engine is 99,0% of its Take-Off thrust rating. This 2,5 shaft geared turbofan has a great potential. Although larger in its external appearance mainly because of its 81 in fan, it is not designed for the 40 klb (+) thrust ratings as the RR RB211-535 or PW2000, intended for Boeing 757. My assessment is that this design is good enough for some 37-38 klb by increasing its FPR (fan pressure ratio), OPR (overall pressure ratio), CPR (compressor pressure ratio), TIT (turbine inlet temperature), EGT (exhaust gas temperature)... For more than that, quite different approach would be required and that: the redesigning of engine´s architecture or (and) core´s geometry. But this is the long story... For A321n ( LR), PW1100G engine will have more than enough thrust. We´ll see if the, already very hot, two-shaft CFM´s LEAP-1A ( A320neo) and LEAP-1B ( 737 MAX) engines, especially if Boeing decide to go for MAX 10, will have it... Nice regards Mario
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 19, 2016 20:41:13 GMT 1
New paint hangar under construction in the back. No picture. The picture was in the previous post. There, you cannot miss a large structure being built.
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Post by bmw801 on May 19, 2016 21:07:59 GMT 1
Here are all the engines certified so far for the A320neo family aircraft: Thank you for the list, mario ! Interestingly, there are more variants of the LEAP 1-A (7) than variants of the P&W GTF (5). If you find the time, it would be quite interesting to point out the differences between different variants of the same engine, and to try to understand what they mean to an airline. We'll also have to determine how Airbus 'links' these engine variants to aircraft sub-type numbers, but we may have to wait a little bit for a full picture. Interesting question about the Leap 1A differences ! Let us have a look on the EASA TYPE-CERTIFICATE:1) We have 10 models: LEAP-1A23, LEAP-1A24, LEAP-1A24E1, LEAP-1A26, LEAP-1A26E1, LEAP-1A30, LEAP-1A32, LEAP-1A33, LEAP-1A33B2, LEAP-1A35A 2) LEAP-1A35A certified by EASA on 20 November 2015 according to: CAO Annex 16 Volume II, third edition, July 2008, including Amendment 7, 18/08/11, as applicable to turbofan engines. NOx Standard in accordance with CAEP/8. all other certified by EASA on 20 November 2015 according to: ICAO Annex 16 Volume II, third edition, July 2008, including Amendment 8, 14/7/14, as applicable to turbofan engines 3) Then we have for all 10 models two different engine part list references: M10G01 and M10G02 engine part list reference
| M10G01 | M10G02 | Length (fan case forward flange to turbine rear frame aft flange
| 3328mm | 3328mm | Width (maximum envelope) | 2543mm | 2533mm | Height (maximum envelope) | 2368mm | 2362mm
| Weight of the basic engine, equipment and fluids (oil, fuel) | 2990kg | 3153kg |
So we have slightly different dimensions and 163kg difference in weight depending on engine part list reference no. Airinsight.com has a good explanation for the weight difference between Leap-1A G01 and Leap-1A G02. We have also the FAA certification for the LEAP 1A, where we can find in note 5: ENGINE MODEL CHARACTERISTICS The models shown on this TCDS have the following general characteristics: LEAP-1A35A
| A321neo Configuration, with additional takeoff thrust at high altitude conditions. | LEAP-1A33 | Same as LEAP-1A30, except for higher thrust rating.
| LEAP-1A33B2
| Same as LEAP-1A33, except for additional pilot-selected takeoff thrust capability.
| LEAP-1A32 | Same as LEAP-1A30, except for higher thrust rating. | LEAP-1A30
| A321neo Configuration. | LEAP-1A26
| A320neo Configuration.
| LEAP-1A26E1
| Same as LEAP-1A26, except for extended ambient temperature takeoff thrust capability.
| LEAP-1A24
| Same as LEAP-1A23, except for higher thrust rating.
| LEAP-1A24E1
| Same as LEAP-1A24, except for extended ambient temperature takeoff thrust capability.
| LEAP-1A23
| A319neo Configuration.
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May 19, 2016 23:10:11 GMT 1
Post by stealthmanbob on May 19, 2016 23:10:11 GMT 1
The picture was in the previous post. There, you cannot miss a large structure being built. Apologies, I read the new posts using the Recently Posted link. It lists posts by time across all threads and not in sequence in a thread ! so it was not obvious, as it was just a post and not a quoted post
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XWB
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Post by XWB on May 20, 2016 7:34:45 GMT 1
Most of those engine changes are in the software.
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philidor
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A320neo
May 20, 2016 11:45:46 GMT 1
Post by philidor on May 20, 2016 11:45:46 GMT 1
Most of those engine changes are in the software. Yes, the FADEC is somewhat different, but the variants are offered for a reason, there are at least thrust and price differences. It would be nice to have a table summarising them. Customers are certainly aware of the implications when they select a variant.
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sciing
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Post by sciing on May 20, 2016 13:47:43 GMT 1
Airinsight.com has a good explanation for the weight difference between Leap-1A G01 and Leap-1A G02. I read that there is none! For G02 parts of the nacelle in G01 is now part of the engine. No real difference (beside that CFM is now responsible for that part instead of Aircelle) and G02 is the production version.
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Post by bmw801 on May 20, 2016 14:34:48 GMT 1
I read that there is none! For G02 parts of the nacelle in G01 is now part of the engine. No real difference (beside that CFM is now responsible for that part instead of Aircelle) and G02 is the production version. You are absolutely right! The additional stuff explains the rising weight from M10G01 (2990kg) to M10G02 (3153kg). Edit: For the PW1100-JM the certification paper mentions a weight of 2857.6 kg (6300 lbs), but be careful, this is the dry weight. The Leap weights are 'wet' including oil and fuel, so this is not directly compareable.
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