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Post by Jkkw on Jun 1, 2014 15:46:36 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 1, 2014 16:09:11 GMT 1
Also says Air China getting its first B747-8 this year and Korean Air its first next year thanks Jkkw!
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Post by Baroque on Jun 1, 2014 16:42:38 GMT 1
I don't get this statement... How on earth is the current 748 going to be good against a re-engined A380neo if can't beat the current version? And if anything, Emirates has always wanted something bigger like the A389 rather than a downsize to the 748. Is Boeing moving to kill the business case for the re-engined A380neo by pitching this as an alternative? This way, they prevent a refreshed competitor to the 777X, at least on the low end of things. Also, could they be using the 777X pricing to pressure Emirates into buying the 748 as well, and that the delay in completing the order is because TC really wants a better deal without the 748 being a part of it?
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Post by XWB on Jun 1, 2014 17:00:59 GMT 1
Mr. Wojick is throwing mud as usual.
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Post by philidor on Jun 1, 2014 17:55:30 GMT 1
Also, could they be using the 777X pricing to pressure Emirates into buying the 748 as well, and that the delay in completing the order is because TC really wants a better deal without the 748 being a part of it? I think you nailed it, Baroque ! The 748 offer is obviously linked to the 777X negociation - Boeing is probably offering a few 777s at rock-bottom price (if not free of charge ...) to sweeten the deal, but Tim clark has not taken the bait so far ... It is excellent tactics from Boeing. It also shows how a slow-selling aircraft can sometimes be turned into a commercial advantage. I doubt this attempt will be successful, though, since I think EK is in a position to dictate its own terms.
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Post by gennadius01 on Jun 2, 2014 7:02:22 GMT 1
I don't get this statement... How on earth is the current 748 going to be good against a re-engined A380neo if can't beat the current version? And if anything, Emirates has always wanted something bigger like the A389 rather than a downsize to the 748. Is Boeing moving to kill the business case for the re-engined A380neo by pitching this as an alternative? This way, they prevent a refreshed competitor to the 777X, at least on the low end of things. Also, could they be using the 777X pricing to pressure Emirates into buying the 748 as well, and that the delay in completing the order is because TC really wants a better deal without the 748 being a part of it? I think you make a good point as to the possible pressure that Boeing may be using. In terms of how the 748 and the 380 compare, LH probably has some good numbers now. There was some data from a couple of years back that did show the 747-8 at a slight disadvantage, however both Boeing and Airbus have continued to make improvements to their frames in the interim. I recall more recently that there was a report that the unit costs between the two were essentially the same, and that the trip costs were about 20% in the 747-8's favor. Regardless, unless Lufthansa publishes their data, it is all just speculation. Beyond that, the fleet planners I'm sure take far more into account than just unit and trip costs, as routes, traffic demographics, and seating configuration will play a big role in how much revenue a given frame can potentially generate. Lufthansa, at least at this time, seems to have found a good way to make use of their 747-8s and their 380s.
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Post by Jkkw on Jun 2, 2014 10:39:33 GMT 1
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Post by philidor on Jun 2, 2014 12:16:21 GMT 1
Clark praises the A380 and dismisses the 748 ... probably while playing hardball in the 777X negociation.
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Post by XWB on Jun 2, 2014 12:34:49 GMT 1
Clark praises the A380 and dismisses the 748 ... probably while playing hardball in the 777X negociation. To be fair, it was Boeing pitching the 748i towards Emirates, not Clark requesting a 747 proposal.
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Post by gennadius01 on Jun 2, 2014 16:27:00 GMT 1
To be fair, it was Boeing pitching the 748i towards Emirates, not Clark requesting a 747 proposal. Ya, I think it was pretty obvious from how the statements came out that it was Boeing going through their sales process, and not any solicitation from EK. The follow up comments today from Clark simply confirm that. In a report from FG, he says: As well as the following:
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