s543
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Post by s543 on Jan 18, 2018 21:55:28 GMT 1
I just wonder if those "refinements" The improvements, in what Airbus terms a “development study,” would include new large winglets and other wing refinements to provide “up to 4 percent fuel burn savings,” and 13 percent cost reduction per seat versus the A380. Engineers would achieve the benefits by increasing maximum takeoff weight to 578 tonnes and adding 80 seats in a new nine-abreast premium economy layout and an 11-abreast economy configuration. will be adopted. My guess YES.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 18, 2018 22:06:17 GMT 1
I just wonder if those "refinements" The improvements, in what Airbus terms a “development study,” would include new large winglets and other wing refinements to provide “up to 4 percent fuel burn savings,” and 13 percent cost reduction per seat versus the A380. Engineers would achieve the benefits by increasing maximum takeoff weight to 578 tonnes and adding 80 seats in a new nine-abreast premium economy layout and an 11-abreast economy configuration. will be adopted. My guess YES. I think they have bandwidth for engs to work on it but not exactly sure whether this makes any business case for the management team given the return on investment may be limited if we only look at the balance sheet for this particular program
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s543
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Post by s543 on Jan 18, 2018 22:15:53 GMT 1
I am sure it was part of the haggling.
Make at least something to improve a bit - those are things which would be relatively easy and by the way we have already observed testing of those new "huge" sharklets..... Other changes might have been made too, but could be hardly spotted.
And the inside - it is all the time going process......
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sean
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Post by sean on Jan 19, 2018 0:52:02 GMT 1
I just wonder if those "refinements" The improvements, in what Airbus terms a “development study,” would include new large winglets and other wing refinements to provide “up to 4 percent fuel burn savings,” and 13 percent cost reduction per seat versus the A380. Engineers would achieve the benefits by increasing maximum takeoff weight to 578 tonnes and adding 80 seats in a new nine-abreast premium economy layout and an 11-abreast economy configuration. will be adopted. My guess YES. Winglets and other wing refinements, the MTOW increase, and other incremental refinements unseen to the naked eye I see EK adopting, along with cabin enhancements which will save weight, however they will not be adopting 11-abreast in Y. I also believe they will include whatever enhancements possible as retrofits into the existing fleet. One of the primary areas of efficiency that Christoph Mueller and his team are looking at throughout EK is standardization of service processes and product. There is true tangible savings to be had there.
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Post by philidor on Jan 19, 2018 2:19:50 GMT 1
EK has publicly shown no interest for the 'A380 plus', though the airline might still take the new winglets. As regards the cabin, EK is not interested in Airbus' main densification proposals (11-abreast seating, ditching the forward stair), but a new, denser configuration might be created with Airbus' help.
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Post by airboche on Jan 19, 2018 9:08:51 GMT 1
EK have said they continue to work with Airbus to improve the cabin passenger experience. Something concerning the cabin is on their list.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Jan 19, 2018 9:30:15 GMT 1
EK has publicly shown no interest for the 'A380 plus', though the airline might still take the new winglets. As regards the cabin, EK is not interested in Airbus' main densification proposals (11-abreast seating, ditching the forward stair), but a new, denser configuration might be created with Airbus' help. Once more I must disagree with you (and I am sorry to say in our friendly disagreements I was more often right ) - unfortunately I am almost sure they will go for the 11-abreast seating. Why ? Look what they did with their complete 777 feet - they did "upgraded" (or better to say downgraded) from 9 to 10 abreast - they did this move of course silently ...... My personal experience about year back - in Y - flight from PRG with A380 10-abreast - very comfortable and 4 hours later in 777 in the same 10-abreast but in much narrower plane and the seats look from the first look the same but the difference is HUGE !!!! i.e. the seats in 11-abreast A380 lower deck are going still to be wider than the ones in their 777s.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Jan 19, 2018 9:32:06 GMT 1
EK have said they continue to work with Airbus to improve the cabin passenger experience. Something concerning the cabin is on their list. Exactly - Airbus started the 11-abreast work not from its own idea but because someone asked them to . And who might that be ? This is the main improvement - to place more people inside !
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Post by mjoelnir on Jan 19, 2018 12:43:15 GMT 1
EK have said they continue to work with Airbus to improve the cabin passenger experience. Something concerning the cabin is on their list. Exactly - Airbus started the 11-abreast work not from its own idea but because someone asked them to . And who might that be ? This is the main improvement - to place more people inside ! I very much doubt that the 11 across is for Emirates.
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Post by airboche on Jan 19, 2018 14:58:24 GMT 1
I think Tim Clark is on the record for not wanting it. Winglets that is what he would take and refit for sure.
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