philidor
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Post by philidor on Jan 8, 2018 12:48:15 GMT 1
4. the only weak point of the A380 are it's engines. With latest generation engines it will be competitive against modern twins again Part of the conundrum is that no satisfactory engine is available now. Present generation engines would not spur the sales, that's why Airbus could not come up with a business plan to launch a -neo. The A380 needs engines of a future generation, the problem being to keep the line running until they are available. |
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Post by airboche on Jan 8, 2018 13:00:11 GMT 1
The problem is they seem to be limited to RR's offers. That might be some strategic mistake. Airlines want a choice. Plus GE is Boeing's risk sharing partner of the 777-300ER and 777X. If their GTF improvements would work out faster/better I had suggested to get cozy with PW as well.
Right now Airbus can only keep the line open with some minimum rate and reactivate it in ten years time with the advance and ultrafan for some -yes- stretched neo. So take that EK order get some chinese and rollover orders on top and it might work out. Less costly than stopping it all.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 8, 2018 16:47:02 GMT 1
The problem is they seem to be limited to RR's offers. That might be some strategic mistake. Airlines want a choice. Plus GE is Boeing's risk sharing partner of the 777-300ER and 777X. If their GTF improvements would work out faster/better I had suggested to get cozy with PW as well. Right now Airbus can only keep the line open with some minimum rate and reactivate it in ten years time with the advance and ultrafan for some -yes- stretched neo. So take that EK order get some chinese and rollover orders on top and it might work out. Less costly than stopping it all. only RR offer ? what about EA ? |
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Post by s543 on Jan 8, 2018 18:02:17 GMT 1
Well do not forget that in 10 years the body and wings would be very outdated. Up to that the weak point of A380 is small cargo capacity - that is simply the fact and nothing can be done about it.
Add the use of smaller airports, with smaller planes and this makes an influence at the huge hubs - less people appear there - their direct flights exists - I do believe this is a trend we are going to see. And this trend makes a lot of passengers happy - as we well know to change planes at JFK or LHR or CDG or DXB .... is not a big joy. Even people from even smaller airports might change planes in those middle sized airports - less crowded, faster transfer, and we do see in flight search engines that airlines do offer those planes changes quite often.
So I am sorry to say so but I do believe that the future of the A380 unfortunately is not very bright.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jan 8, 2018 18:54:38 GMT 1
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 8, 2018 19:15:29 GMT 1
At least good news for A320 program for higher production rate ? |
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Post by airboche on Jan 9, 2018 14:26:11 GMT 1
The wing can and will be updated. The fuselage won't be worse than 777 or 747 at all. It's way younger.
In theory you could design some BWB CFRP wonderplane. But who will pay for it? Better re-use the A380 investment. Look at the 747 history. It took time (and better engines!) to get it right. The same will be valid for the A380.
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Jan 9, 2018 17:05:14 GMT 1
The wing can and will be updated. The fuselage won't be worse than 777 or 747 at all. It's way younger. In theory you could design some BWB CFRP wonderplane. But who will pay for it? Better re-use the A380 investment. Look at the 747 history. It took time (and better engines!) to get it right. The same will be valid for the A380. I do not see the need to update the wing apart from the changes proposed for the plus. New engines and the bird is competitive again. I still imagine the Trent advanced with the carbon fiber fan. |
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 9, 2018 17:22:37 GMT 1
The wing can and will be updated. The fuselage won't be worse than 777 or 747 at all. It's way younger. In theory you could design some BWB CFRP wonderplane. But who will pay for it? Better re-use the A380 investment. Look at the 747 history. It took time (and better engines!) to get it right. The same will be valid for the A380. the airframe improvement is significantly more limited than engines ..... John Leahy made similar comment regarding A320 neo as well .... |
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s543
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Post by s543 on Jan 9, 2018 18:01:18 GMT 1
True for the body, but I am not sure the wing would be in 10 years up to date. The progress in airflow modeling and use of CFRP is HUGE .....
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