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Post by philidor on Jun 17, 2015 15:17:05 GMT 1
One thing GE risks by not improving their relationship with Airbus is to risk falling behind (again) in market share, this time in the narrowbody sector. They ought to know this well by now, with how they missed the boat on the A350. One single twist in Airbus' strategy started the string of events that created the present situation : GE was deeply involved in the first version of the A350 project ; then Airbus cancelled it and launched the second version. GE refused to meet all Airbus' demands and RR became the de facto sole A359 engine supplier, as well as the exclusive A35K engine supplier. In short, I think GE may have misjudged the A350 opportunity, but Airbus contributed to create the present situation. |
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Post by s543 on Jun 17, 2015 16:04:32 GMT 1
I would interpret Leahy's worlds as "rather sharp" - from that came my surprise and mulling over.....
Actually if we try to interpret what was said:
AB: we want to rump up to 63/month
CFM: No way can not do that with BO rump-up
Leahy: no problem we will work with PW.
So.....
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Post by philidor on Jun 17, 2015 22:04:13 GMT 1
Playing one engine manufacturer against the other ... You are right, harsh talk !
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Post by Baroque on Jun 17, 2015 22:33:24 GMT 1
GE was deeply involved in the first version of the A350 project ; then Airbus cancelled it and launched the second version. GE refused to meet all Airbus' demands and RR became the de facto sole A359 engine supplier, as well as the exclusive A35K engine supplier. I wouldn't fault it on Airbus however. The only reason GE was deeply involved in the first iteration the A350 was because it had an off-the-shelf engine that was more tailored to the Boeing 787. However, when Airbus's customers asked to revamp the proposed A350, Airbus did welcome GE to supply an engine for the line up but the latter refused to go the effort of making a new engine that would also have to compete with the 77W and so sat out of it. Airbus complained that GE was basically asking them to design their aircraft around their off-the-shelf GEnx. |
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Post by s543 on Jun 17, 2015 23:01:05 GMT 1
All that makes sense on the WB planes. The sales are in smaller quantities and the planes are not very similar like NB planes i.e. each needs to have a special engine and the total numbers do not sum up to pay for the development of two various engines from two parties.
Up to that there is simply no doubt each of the engine makers has closer to the one OEM i.e. the output is logical.
In NB field the situation is different the numbers are large and the engine needed are similar.... but still we can say CFM had and still will probably have around 75 % of the market while IAE only about 25% and as it looks like PW will have again only 25% of the NEO market.
It seems now that PW has a bit better product - how will be the reliability can not be predicted and also if there are going to be some teething issues ?
We just have to wait and see what will happen - it might come to the situation that PW will be getting bigger part of AB orders - provided the product will work reliably ?
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Post by philidor on Jun 18, 2015 16:39:53 GMT 1
For once, I'll indulge into duplicating one of my posts from the Airbus orders thread, with a few tweaks. I think the large Wizzair order for 110 A321neos deserves a special mention. Not only is it the largest from the 2015 Paris airshow, it also arguably is the most important. It once more underscores the customer appeal of this sub-type, which seems to enter a new market : to the best of my knowledge, no other low-cost airline has so far elected to make the A321neo the cornerstone of its operation (I know I must be forgetting some airline ...). www.airbus.com/bourget2015/article/news_11531-wizz-air-signs-for-110-a321neo-aircraft |
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Post by FabienA380 on Jul 10, 2015 6:05:06 GMT 1
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Post by airboche on Jul 10, 2015 8:42:55 GMT 1
Speculating: Installing some sort of big satellite (live-TV, broadband) antenna on the back plus avionics in the front?
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Post by XWB on Jul 31, 2015 9:36:24 GMT 1
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Post by HL7615 on Aug 4, 2015 2:27:30 GMT 1
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