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Post by peter on Dec 19, 2014 16:51:15 GMT 1
Boeing has to deliver the first 18 by 2017 (see this link). And in another link, near the bottom of the page you can see under milestones that all 179 must be delivered by 2027. |
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Post by ghorn on Dec 19, 2014 17:23:12 GMT 1
But in Geof's numbers those seems not to be included ? Geoff will answer, but I am sure they are, since A330 numbers include MRTTs, which I think are the only military aircraft derived from a widebody airliner that are currently being delivered. There's a very nice new thread on A330 production on A.net. That shows 27 MRTTs have been delivered. I'll include a footnote of those and the 2Cs in my spreadsheet. Geoff |
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Post by ghorn on Dec 29, 2014 10:04:58 GMT 1
Geoff will answer, but I am sure they are, since A330 numbers include MRTTs, which I think are the only military aircraft derived from a widebody airliner that are currently being delivered. There's a very nice new thread on A330 production on A.net. That shows 27 MRTTs have been delivered. I'll include a footnote of those and the 2Cs in my spreadsheet. Geoff I found the Airbus official figures and have updated the spreadsheet accordingly. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LK3NGr1kFwYC9bk8u52J3X28fTAr3kPttsktJYHt2U8/edit#gid=0Geoff |
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Post by ghorn on Dec 29, 2014 10:25:51 GMT 1
I understand that Boeing has now delivered 110 787s in 2014, breaking the annual record of 108 held by the A330. Could be as many as 114 by the end of the year. Congratulations to Boeing.
With the orderbook decreasing and production increasing, Boeing should be offering earlier delivery times for the 787 than Airbus can for the A350. Interesting that this seems not to have been the case with the recent Delta order. 787 orderbook is about 831 the A350 at 785, so excluding any new large orders or cancellations, by the middle of 2015 the 787 will have the smaller orderbook.
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Post by philidor on Dec 29, 2014 20:42:14 GMT 1
With the orderbook decreasing and production increasing, Boeing should be offering earlier delivery times for the 787 than Airbus can for the A350. Interesting that this seems not to have been the case with the recent Delta order. 787 orderbook is about 831 the A350 at 785, so excluding any new large orders or cancellations, by the middle of 2015 the 787 will have the smaller orderbook. Geoff There is an important difference : all early 787 customers were forced to accept-several-years-late deliveries, and Boeing had to compensate them somehow. I believe that in many (most ? All ?) cases Boeing had to commit to give these customers a delivery priority over any new customer (or over any new order from an early customer). If I am right, then Boeing has less wiggle room than Airbus ... I also believe that Airbus always keeps a few slots for possible new major customers ... |
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Post by ghorn on Dec 30, 2014 0:45:40 GMT 1
With the orderbook decreasing and production increasing, Boeing should be offering earlier delivery times for the 787 than Airbus can for the A350. Interesting that this seems not to have been the case with the recent Delta order. 787 orderbook is about 831 the A350 at 785, so excluding any new large orders or cancellations, by the middle of 2015 the 787 will have the smaller orderbook. Geoff There is an important difference : all early 787 customers were forced to accept-several-years-late deliveries, and Boeing had to compensate them somehow. I believe that in many (most ? All ?) cases Boeing had to commit to give these customers a delivery priority over any new customer (or over any new order from an early customer). If I am right, then Boeing has less wiggle room than Airbus ... I also believe that Airbus always keeps a few slots for possible new major customers ... Thanks that might well explain it. Airbus also had the 'advantage' of the Emirates cancellation, although I think the Delta deliveries will be earlier than Emirates' would have been. Geoff |
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Post by ghorn on Jan 6, 2015 17:44:50 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Jan 10, 2015 9:53:57 GMT 1
Although Airbus won't reveal their official numbers until the 13th, it's being reported from normally reliable sources that 107 A330s were delivered in 2014, completing a record breaking year.
The records set were ( previous records, all set in 2013, in brackets ) ;
Widebody deliveries
Industry total 376 (341)
Boeing Total 238 (208)
Airbus Total 138 (133)
Model Total - 787 114 (108)
The Airbus Model record stays at 108, for the A330 last year.
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Post by s543 on Jan 10, 2015 10:44:37 GMT 1
We might try a long standing betting pool
- when will the 400/year line be crossed
- when will AB cross the 200 line
- will AB produce ever more WB planes than BO
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Post by ghorn on Jan 10, 2015 11:41:56 GMT 1
We might try a long standing betting pool - when will the 400/year line be crossed - when will AB cross the 200 line - will AB produce ever more WB planes than BO I don't know about betting but they are very interesting questions on which I'm happy to speculate. I think 400 is possible this year with the A350 coming on stream if the numbers hold up for all the other families. Weonly need to see a net increase of 24. In five years time we might see a combined industry total of 500 if A330 and 777 deliveries are kept near to current levels. Airbus should hit 200 once the A350 gets over a hundred ( 2017 ? ), provided the A380 and A330 can meet the other 100. Don't see Airbus surpassing Boeing again ( they were ahead in 2011 ) for the foreseeable future ( say next 10 years ). Geoff |
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