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Post by someone on Jun 4, 2015 13:27:59 GMT 1
Airbus deliveries are also sluggish, with 10 in May with only 6 A330s. That makes 35 A330s delivered in 5 months so far this year. Are there 10+ frames awaiting delivery or has production been cut already ? Geoff Guess it would have been 8 or maybe 9 had there not been for Kuwait getting delayed until June and one or two Skymark frames causing issues? |
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Post by XWB on Jun 4, 2015 15:15:06 GMT 1
There's an Avianca A332 too (MSN 1608) that won't be delivered in the coming months.
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Post by sciing on Jun 4, 2015 16:24:06 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Jun 5, 2015 0:39:36 GMT 1
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Post by philidor on Jun 5, 2015 8:43:35 GMT 1
This year, the respective 787 and A350 numbers account for a hundred frames difference. The gap will be progressively reduced, starting next year, by the A350 ramp-up.
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Post by ghorn on Jun 5, 2015 9:13:06 GMT 1
This year, the respective 787 and A350 numbers account for a hundred frames difference. The gap will be progressively reduced, starting next year, by the A350 ramp-up. Thanks, yes, we can expect Airbus to narrow the gap but Boeing's production plans show they will keep well ahead. Annual delivery numbers for the next few years are quite hard to call with 787 and A350 increasing and 777 and A330 reducing. Geoff |
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Post by ghorn on Jun 5, 2015 9:17:28 GMT 1
A couple of anomalies in the orderbooks that seem to be dragging on for a long time.
Airbus still show 16 orders for the A350-800. I presume this is because commercial negotiations over cancellation/conversion are ongoing.
Boeing are still showing all orders ( 286 ) for the next generation 777 as 777X. Does anyone think they have not fully committed to the 777-8 and 777-9 designations ? Maybe they just don't want to admit how few orders they have for the smaller version !!
Geoff
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Post by ghorn on Jun 5, 2015 9:28:18 GMT 1
Neither Boeing nor Airbus are selling as many widebodies as they are delivering. This has resulted in a reduction in their orderbooks. This could change dramatically if the Paris Airshow brings massive orders.
Reduced orderbooks result in shorter delivery times which can be attractive to airlines. With its high delivery rate the 787 orderbook has come down from 916 to 823 since the end of 2013. With plans to go to 14 per month this would bring the orderbook under 5 years of deliveries. The A350 on the other hand stands at 777 which will probably take Airbus 7 to 8 years to deliver. Investors would worry if the 787 orderbook continued to decline but is more likely that Boeing will benefit in their sales campaigns, if they can achieve a steady 5 years' worth on the orderbook. I recall that John Leahy has complained that he cannot sell the A350 because of the long wait for production slots.
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Post by philidor on Jun 5, 2015 9:49:56 GMT 1
Boeing are still showing all orders ( 286 ) for the next generation 777 as 777X. Does anyone think they have not fully committed to the 777-8 and 777-9 designations ? Maybe they just don't want to admit how few orders they have for the smaller version !! Geoff I think in Boeing parlance, a ...X aircraft is an aircraft in development. The 777X will therefore receive a different name some day, unless Boeing just drops the 'X', considering that the 777 'umbrella' and the subtype names (778 and 779) are enough. |
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Post by philidor on Jun 5, 2015 9:58:09 GMT 1
Neither Boeing nor Airbus are selling as many widebodies as they are delivering. This has resulted in a reduction in their orderbooks. Geoff Whereas deliveries are a continuous process, the timing of orders can be erratic and unpredictable, especially where widebodies are concerned. This should not come as a surprise. It is the reason why manufacturers need an order backlog. |
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