ghorn
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Post by ghorn on Feb 20, 2016 9:34:51 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Mar 4, 2016 9:47:44 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Mar 4, 2016 14:46:36 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Apr 11, 2016 14:59:51 GMT 1
Spreadsheet now updated with Airbus and Boeing figures for the end of March ; docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LK3NGr1kFwYC9bk8u52J3X28fTAr3kPttsktJYHt2U8/edit?pli=1#gid=0Very little in the way of widebody orders this year so far. Perhaps it will be a quiet year. Two major events which have been rumoured are EK's regional order ( 787-10s ? ) and the launch of the further A350 stretch. Boeing has delvered 55 widebodies so far this year against 22 by Airbus. As usual Airbus will speed up as the year progresses, I'm still expecting a record year for them of 140 plus. This would be about a 100 less than Boeing. I've added more detail about Models ( what Boeing strangely calls Model Series ) in the lower section of the sheet. This shows how dominant the 777-300ER the A330-300 and the 787-8 have been in terms of deliveries recently. Of course all of these are slowing in terms of deliveries as the 787-9 and the A350-900 are set to take over. Before then the 777-300ER will overtake the A330-300 for most deliveries, probably early in 2017. I've also added more detail about the orderbook/unfilled orders. I'm still surprised that Airbus has almost as many widebodies on order as Boeing, given that Boeing is delivering at twice the rate. Geoff |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Apr 11, 2016 15:12:22 GMT 1
Spreadsheet now updated with Airbus and Boeing figures for the end of March I've also added more detail about the orderbook/unfilled orders. I'm still surprised that Airbus has almost as many widebodies on order as Boeing, given that Boeing is delivering at twice the rate. Geoff May be that is why Boeing announced 8k job cuts in March ? |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 11, 2016 23:44:17 GMT 1
Before then the 777-300ER will overtake the A330-300 for most deliveries, probably early in 2017. If this does not happen in 2016, then it may not happen in 2017 either. 2017 is the year Boeing is ramping down 777 production to 7 per month, while Airbus is ramping A330ceo up to the same 7 per month rate (vs 6 this year). I'm still surprised that Airbus has almost as many widebodies on order as Boeing, given that Boeing is delivering at twice the rate. There are obvious reasons for that : - While both 787 and A350 have a large backlog, Airbus is still ramping up A350 production whereas 787 production has been in full swing for a couple of years. - Airbus has been ramping A330ceo production down, but has a sizable A330neo backlog with deliveries beginning next year. Airbus is catching up in widebody production, but this does not yet translate in deliveries. We'll have a smaller difference in Q2 2016, an even smaller one in 2017. |
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Post by XWB on Apr 12, 2016 11:35:39 GMT 1
I'm still surprised that Airbus has almost as many widebodies on order as Boeing, given that Boeing is delivering at twice the rate. No surprise here. Airbus is still in a ramp-up phase, while Boeing deliveries will be flat in the coming years. |
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on May 10, 2016 13:36:45 GMT 1
Spreadsheet now updated with Airbus and Boeing figures for the end of April ; docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LK3NGr1kFwYC9bk8u52J3X28fTAr3kPttsktJYHt2U8/edit?pli=1#gid=0Some good size orders from China Eastern ( A350 and 787 ) and unidentified ( China also ? ) for the A330. Boeing has delivered 74 widebodies so far this year against 33 by Airbus. Airbus now has more passenger widebodies in its unfilled orders than Boeing despite the latter's lead in deliveries. This surprises me as availability would give Boeing a sales advantage. Maybe availability is not such a big issue or maybe Airbus products are just so superior that airlines don't mind waiting !! Perhaps Airbus just keeps more 'dodgy' orders on its books !! Geoff |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 10, 2016 14:11:16 GMT 1
Airbus now has more passenger widebodies in its unfilled orders than Boeing despite the latter's lead in deliveries. This surprises me as availability would give Boeing a sales advantage. Availability can be defined as the lead time to promised delivery. It is different from the backlog size, and even from the backlog to production ratio. This is because not all customers want an early delivery, and also because the way manufacturers manage their backlog creates differences. I know that Airbus overbooks when needed, then finds some way of making promises and production meet (sometimes, cancellations and deferments help). |
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Post by ghorn on May 12, 2016 13:32:08 GMT 1
Spreadsheet now updated with Airbus and Boeing figures for the end of April ; docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LK3NGr1kFwYC9bk8u52J3X28fTAr3kPttsktJYHt2U8/edit?pli=1#gid=0Some good size orders from China Eastern ( A350 and 787 ) and unidentified ( China also ? ) for the A330. Boeing has delivered 74 widebodies so far this year against 33 by Airbus. Airbus now has more passenger widebodies in its unfilled orders than Boeing despite the latter's lead in deliveries. This surprises me as availability would give Boeing a sales advantage. Maybe availability is not such a big issue or maybe Airbus products are just so superior that airlines don't mind waiting !! Perhaps Airbus just keeps more 'dodgy' orders on its books !! Geoff I've been adding detail to my spreadsheet showing the annual deliveries for each model ( what Boeing calls model series ) and the totals up to 2010 and since. This shows how successful the 777-300ER and the A330-300 have been during the current decade. Of course both have a limited life in production and I'll be interested to see how quickly the 787-9 and the A350-900 rise to the top in accumulated deliveries. The figures also show the rapid rise and fall of the 787-8, showing that future deliveries are not entirely predictable. Geoff |
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