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Post by philidor on Aug 3, 2015 18:04:11 GMT 1
Does this suggest that Boeing's new CEO does not like exagerated marketing promises ?
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Post by airboche on Aug 5, 2015 11:58:21 GMT 1
It's good to be realistic.
Today's flat sleeper seats in Business Class waste so much space and lower the headcount. Today's level of luxury (mini suites) used to be unheard of even in first class back then.
The backside is the increased economy class seating with less space for galleys and restrooms and cabin baggage. Not sure where we are headed to. Sometimes it feels like airlines want to "force you" into business class as economy sometimes feels unbearable. (Strongly depends on your seat neighbours). I will need room for my two feet.
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Post by Jkkw on Aug 6, 2015 1:22:05 GMT 1
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Post by fanairbus on Aug 27, 2015 9:51:21 GMT 1
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Post by airboche on Jan 14, 2016 14:03:56 GMT 1
Boeing seems to be able to build it's 747-8 at a rate of less than twelve per year while remaining in the black. That is just half of the A380 rate!
Why does Airbus claim to not have enough staff to build their orders? Because of the slow economy in France right now good people should be available everywhere? Just hire as much as you need. Rising rates should absorb all of them.
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Post by someone on Jan 14, 2016 14:06:36 GMT 1
Boeing seems to be able to build it's 747-8 at a rate of less than twelve per year while remaining in the black. That is half or the A380 rate! It depends on how you define being in black and how you spread out the costs |
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Post by XWB on Jan 14, 2016 14:07:44 GMT 1
Boeing seems to be able to build it's 747-8 at a rate of less than twelve per year while remaining in the black. What makes you believe that? Like the 787, Boeing works with deferred costs on the 747 program. |
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Post by s543 on Jan 14, 2016 14:59:07 GMT 1
Boeing is faaaaaaar away of being in black numbers on 748 - and never will be. Look at their last year (2014) statement. It is extremely MUDDY reading but the truth is obvious. If there would not be 737 + 777 + military programs Boeing would be in deep trouble. 787 + 748 have until now generated only huge losses. Each 787 sold (up to MSN about 200) generates average loss around USD 25mil. so for those 200 pcs you are at hefty 5 bn ! Each 748 even more. The whole problem is also hidden in the real sale prices - and there it is impossible to estimate - we can only guess. The whole thing starts to make some sense only when you look at the complete number for the company and they had there somewhere complete sales on new civil aviation planes and I remember it was well bellow 1/3 of listed prices. (It is close to a year I did spend few hours "trying" to read it - where I am of course ready to say I am too dumb to understand it. (It is in complete opposite to statements made for instance by IAG which even a dummie like me could understand easily) We have to look at those statements realistically. Each of those OEMs have completely different way to work with development cost and fix manufacturing equipment costs so to compare their number is for a commoners like us not almost but I believe COMPLETELY impossible. I believe that specifically Boeing produces such a muddy accounting system (completely by purpose) that it is not understandable completely to its shareholders and market trades analyst as well  which makes the board most happy  |
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Post by airboche on Jan 14, 2016 15:47:41 GMT 1
Pure production. Like the A380.
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Post by philidor on Jan 14, 2016 18:46:00 GMT 1
It does take some accounting knowledge to understand Boeing's financial statements, but everything is provided to clarify the present and recent past (professional analysts don't complain). As regards the future, this is a different matter ...
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which makes the board most happy 