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Post by kronus on Mar 18, 2022 5:26:42 GMT 1
According to fr24 3 lessors are for 9 a350 frames delivered to Aeroflot. 7 of 9 are stored in SVO. 2 a350 are only contractually delivered and stored in CHR (msn 457 and 463) - in my opinion both will be leased to LH. Foreign Registration Type MSN Airline New Registration Owner/Lessor VP-BXA Airbus A350-941 428 Aeroflot RA-73154 Aurum Leasing VP-BXC Airbus A350-941 437 Aeroflot RA-73152 SMBC Aviation Capital VP-BXD Airbus A350-941 429 Aeroflot RA-73153 SMBC Aviation Capital VP-BXP Airbus A350-941 441 Aeroflot RA-73151 SMBC Aviation Capital VP-BXS Airbus A350-941 457 Aeroflot SB Leasing Ireland VP-BYE Airbus A350-941 463 Aeroflot SB Leasing Ireland VP-BYF Airbus A350-941 466 Aeroflot RA-73156 SB Leasing Ireland VQ-BFY Airbus A350-941 383 Aeroflot RA-73157 Aurum Leasing VQ-BFZ Airbus A350-941 414 Aeroflot RA-73155 Aurum Leasing www.flightradar24.com/blog/tracking-re-registered-russian-jets/ |
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Post by kronus on Nov 21, 2022 12:01:34 GMT 1
Interesting question: how many more SU ntu frames will be built and who will take it?. THY took delivery 4 a350-900 previously allocated to Aeroflot: msn 457, 463, 471 and 493. Currently next 5 frames are stored in TLS: msn 554, 558, 585, 589 and 592. According to ATDB there was 9 more msn allocations for Aeroflot: 498, 508, 518, 523, 529, 594, 601, 606 and 608. Some of this msn maybe built if Airbus will find customer for these frames.
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Post by ff on Nov 21, 2022 13:18:44 GMT 1
Interesting question: how many more SU ntu frames will be built and who will take it?. THY took delivery 4 a350-900 previously allocated to Aeroflot: msn 457, 463, 471 and 493. Currently next 5 frames are stored in TLS: msn 554, 558, 585, 589 and 592. According to ATDB there was 9 more msn allocations for Aeroflot: 498, 508, 518, 523, 529, 594, 601, 606 and 608. Some of this msn maybe built if Airbus will find customer fot these frames. My reading into this is, like any other large manufacturer, Airbus' supply chain has a long lead time. When they try to push Qatar to take delivery and slowing down production process for QR frames, not only five more frames been built, the next three (450, 456, 461) all have major parts been done already before they stop building any thing for QR. The same apply to Aeroflot, I think we can safely disregard the missing frames in MSN49x-MSN53X range - that was the beginning of Covid time and all airlines are in panic and postponing delivery all over the place (498, 501, 508, 511, 514, 515, 518, 519, 513, 521, 522, 523, 525, 529, 532, 534). When Airbus re-negotiated delivery slots with all airlines (it was a very dynamic situation, and each airline acted quite differently), and sorting out production in late 2020 and 2021, quite a few Aeroflot frames already deep into production process before the end of Feb 2022, bearing in mind SU was suppose to take 9 deliveries this year - and a few of them are delayed frames from 2021. 466 went to SU, 457 & 463 (both not part of the planned 9 frames for 2022), 471, 493 went to TK. 554 & 558 are prepared to go to TK in 2023, that still leave 4 more frames suppose to be delivered in 2022 that are most likely in various production process already. So we could still see 594, or even 601, after 585, 589, 592, if they didn't decide to stop manufacturing process for SU frames at the beginning of March - most of companies didn't. So the question is when that decision been made, plus 6-8 months from that decision point, would be the time we see the final ex-SU frame been roll out. |
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Post by tk77w on Nov 21, 2022 23:42:07 GMT 1
Interesting question: how many more SU ntu frames will be built and who will take it?. THY took delivery 4 a350-900 previously allocated to Aeroflot: msn 457, 463, 471 and 493. Currently next 5 frames are stored in TLS: msn 554, 558, 585, 589 and 592. According to ATDB there was 9 more msn allocations for Aeroflot: 498, 508, 518, 523, 529, 594, 601, 606 and 608. Some of this msn maybe built if Airbus will find customer fot these frames. My reading into this is, like any other large manufacturer, Airbus' supply chain has a long lead time. When they try to push Qatar to take delivery and slowing down production process for QR frames, not only five more frames been built, the next three (450, 456, 461) all have major parts been done already before they stop building any thing for QR. The same apply to Aeroflot, I think we can safely disregard the missing frames in MSN49x-MSN53X range - that was the beginning of Covid time and all airlines are in panic and postponing delivery all over the place (498, 501, 508, 511, 514, 515, 518, 519, 513, 521, 522, 523, 525, 529, 532, 534). When Airbus re-negotiated delivery slots with all airlines (it was a very dynamic situation, and each airline acted quite differently), and sorting out production in late 2020 and 2021, quite a few Aeroflot frames already deep into production process before the end of Feb 2022, bearing in mind SU was suppose to take 9 deliveries this year - and a few of them are delayed frames from 2021. 466 went to SU, 457 & 463 (both not part of the planned 9 frames for 2022), 471, 493 went to TK. 554 & 558 are prepared to go to TK in 2023, that still leave 4 more frames suppose to be delivered in 2022 that are most likely in various production process already. So we could still see 594, or even 601, after 585, 589, 592, if they didn't decide to stop manufacturing process for SU frames at the beginning of March - most of companies didn't. So the question is when that decision been made, plus 6-8 months from that decision point, would be the time we see the final ex-SU frame been roll out. I wonder if TK is behind the SU frames to make up the rumoured additional 10 unconfirmed orders..... |
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Post by ff on Nov 21, 2022 23:59:07 GMT 1
I wonder if TK is behind the SU frames to make up the rumoured additional 10 unconfirmed orders..... It wasn't a rumour, TK boss openly declared that they want 10 more A350 frames. That is part of the negotiation, so far not confirmed by Airbus. And most importantly they want it cheap. Not like the earlier ex-SU frames, Airbus did not get much payment from SU for the later frames. They do not want to sell them cheap, and there are plenty of customers they could sell the frames cheaply if they want, Air India, Saudi, Delta, just to name a few. As these are brand new frames without interior been installed, and could be available within very short time, they won't be cheap. TK needs to think whether they really want to pay for them. |
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