philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 28, 2016 19:47:44 GMT 1
Hi Guys, is the economics of the A350 that much better than the 777-300ER, that it allows CI to increase frequency and still come out ahead? The A359 is indeed much more efficient that the 77W, but it is also smaller and more expensive, so for an airline it's a trade-off between capacity and low price or high efficiency. |
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Post by marlibu on Dec 28, 2016 21:14:40 GMT 1
Hi Guys, is the economics of the A350 that much better than the 777-300ER, that it allows CI to increase frequency and still come out ahead? I wouldn't say "that much better", but it offers lower capacity (52 less seats for CI compared to 77W) and lower fuel cost. CI needs 8 A350 flights to have a similar capacity of 7 flights on the 77W. It's a great way to offer new frequencies (eg: making a route daily), redeploy the fleet or optimize load. thanks. the appeal of a daily service should/ could attract more customers.. possibly more business travellers. |
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Post by marlibu on Dec 28, 2016 21:16:45 GMT 1
Hi Guys, is the economics of the A350 that much better than the 777-300ER, that it allows CI to increase frequency and still come out ahead? The A359 is indeed much more efficient that the 77W, but it is also smaller and more expensive, so for an airline it's a trade-off between capacity and low price or high efficiency. much like everything else in life, it's not so black and white is it... thanks for your explanation appreciate it |
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tris06
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Post by tris06 on Dec 29, 2016 2:23:30 GMT 1
A bit dissapointed here as the A350 was to expand European routes like London, milan and a spanish destination which likely at best London could be a December 2017 launch. Also it may mean Australian/New Zealand destinations will use the slanted (business) a330 aircraft for much longer. And to the americans who didnt realise, its still an 8-12hr flight between these places. Had an american friend who thought you could fly from HK to NZ in 4-6hrs.
One more thing is it highly likely with BR expanding big time in the US this will all lead to eventual over supply? I think BR is flying 2 times per day into SFO is a recent increase.
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gdumas
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Post by gdumas on Dec 29, 2016 10:54:51 GMT 1
A bit dissapointed here as the A350 was to expand European routes like London, milan and a spanish destination which likely at best London could be a December 2017 launch. Also it may mean Australian/New Zealand destinations will use the slanted (business) a330 aircraft for much longer. And to the americans who didnt realise, its still an 8-12hr flight between these places. Had an american friend who thought you could fly from HK to NZ in 4-6hrs. One more thing is it highly likely with BR expanding big time in the US this will all lead to eventual over supply? I think BR is flying 2 times per day into SFO is a recent increase. I think CI is just catching up there, demand isn't just TPE-SFO but rather Asia-(TPE)-SFO and with new cabins and planes it would make this route even more attractive. Now concerning Europe I think there might be some regulatory issues or delays to get new rights and there is a slight oversupply on the Asia-Europe routes this year. CI can't just add capacity and routes hopping planes will fill themselves, they have to play it smart and differentiate themselves with state of the art cabins and O&D traffic. The same thing applies to Australia and New Zealand, the Kangaroo routes just isn't a fight CI has the strength and capacity to fight with. The good news for CI is that they have as much A350 on order as the number of B747 and A340 left in their fleet which means they can replace those old planes first and then use their options on more A350 to open new routes and increase capacity. Personally I have no doubt that CI will get more A350 and they might even consider A35K for long term development. |
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tris06
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Post by tris06 on Dec 29, 2016 14:29:46 GMT 1
I dont think CI is aiming for the kangaroo route much even if London comes back.
All the traffic between Brisbane and Taipei i can tell you from personal experience is almost always high yeilding (May/June and October-November being low season). I just paid 1100USD for a semi flex ticket BNE-HKG return and only was able to secure a seat after months of waiting due to limited seating.An 8hr flight that is to tpe.
Also BR and CI have been adding capacities to Australia just this year. Europe I am not sure about over supply as all these destinations would be aimimg for direct flight advantage instead of flying to a 3rd country.
Anyway each airline should never try direct head on competition but work to get their part of the market by aiming for the slightly different customer. Its what Boeing and Airbus usually does.
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Post by Jkkw on Jan 1, 2017 10:56:17 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Jan 2, 2017 14:25:04 GMT 1
Ohh..why would such thing happen for an extended time, sudden increased demand?....
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Post by Shadow123 on Jan 3, 2017 21:53:17 GMT 1
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