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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 22, 2015 18:33:07 GMT 1
The cheer leader last year predicted 120 deliveries in 2015, and they will sail past that figure in the next 6 weeks  PS The information in his blog and the spreadsheets attached to the site are very good, and also prove to be very accurate. I've found the data there to be good. 2015 deliveries should be around 135 so 140 next year is reasonable. Geoff I agree his information and data are very good, I enjoy his site very much. He does not pull any punches and reports on the problems as well as the successes ! I like Airbus aircraft being from the UK but also follow Boeing aircraft as well |
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Post by ghorn on Dec 7, 2015 13:42:22 GMT 1
Tables updated with latest month end figures from Airbus and Boeing. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LK3NGr1kFwYC9bk8u52J3X28fTAr3kPttsktJYHt2U8/edit?pli=1#gid=0Congratulations to Boeing who have set industry records for total widebodies delivered in a year ( 252 )and the most for a family ( the 787 - 126 ) with a month to spare. Both records were previously set in 2014. Airbus will need a big December, 20 deliveries for a total of 140, to beat their best which was also set last year. Strangely Boeing have gone back to reporting the 777-8 and 777-9 as a combined total for 777X. Geoff |
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Post by philidor on Dec 7, 2015 14:13:13 GMT 1
Airbus will need a big December, 20 deliveries for a total of 140, to beat their best which was also set last year. With a reduced production on both A330 and A380 lines, and only 15 scheduled A350 deliveries, Airbus is in my opinion unlikely to break any widebody delivery record this year, except possibly by a very narrow edge. Strangely Boeing have gone back to reporting the 777-8 and 777-9 as a combined total for 777X. Some customers may have elected to remain fully flexible at this stage. If so, no sub-total was possible. |
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Post by s543 on Dec 9, 2015 20:42:15 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Jan 6, 2016 16:37:44 GMT 1
We should get Boeing's year end figures tomorrow but we won't see the Airbus figures until next week.
The 'winners' for the year are pretty well known anyway, so I'm going to award my Widebody Airliner 'Oscars' ;
Best Manufacturer - Deliveries
Boeing 275/280 frames , an industry record, comfortably beating Airbus with 144, which is their best ever.
Best Manufacturer - Net Orders
Boeing 179 beating Airbus with 131. This is actually in doubt if Airbus come up with a year-end order burst.
Best Model / Family - Deliveries
An industry record of 135 for the 787.
Best Model / Family - Net Orders
A surprise win for the A330, with around 136 as Airbus managed to bridge to the A330-800/900.
Best Model / Model Series - Deliveries
The 777-300ER was back on top with around 80 after losing out to the 787-8 which delivered 104 in 2014.
Best Model / Model /Series - Net Orders
A surprise win for the A330-300 with around 80 as Airbus managed to sell out the last production slots.
Here's to another record year in 2016.
Cheers
Geoff
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 6, 2016 16:49:57 GMT 1
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Post by XWB on Jan 6, 2016 17:01:08 GMT 1
With so many A330 ordes this year, Airbus can easily remove the Kingfisher order from the books withing going negative. Final net orders might be a bit lower.
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Post by XWB on Jan 6, 2016 17:10:16 GMT 1
While browsing through this thread, I came across the following post: Respective widebody production volumes three years from now are very difficult to predict. There are too many unknowns. Difficult yes, but it would be fun to try !! I think Boeing will still be delivering more widebodies in 2018, than Airbus. More 787s than A350s, more 777s than A330s. 767 and A380 about the same and 747 probably finished. Putting in some numbers ( guesses ) for calendar year 2018; Boeing total 252 747 - 2 767 - 20 777 - 60 787 - 170 Airbus total 195 A330 - 55 A350 - 120 A380 - 20 Airbus will have narrowed the gap but can't see them getting back ahead of Boeing with the current product ranges. Geoff The 787 rate won't go up to 14 per month until the end of the decade, so 2018 should look like this: 747 - 2 767 - 24 777 - 60 787 - 140 Total: 226 A330 - 66 A350 - 120 A380 - 20 Total: 206 Boeing has the 'advantage' of the 767 line, that's about it. Also note that Boeing produces more 787s than they sell (average of 100 per year). At 14 per month / 170 per year the backlog will be depleted soon. So after 2020 I can see the 787 line coming down again. Boeing has a history of adjusting production rate to demand. Airbus is also looking at 13 per month for the A350 line. No decision has been made yet. This will depend on future orders. I think they'll stay at 10 or 11 per month. |
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Post by ghorn on Jan 6, 2016 17:10:54 GMT 1
With so many A330 ordes this year, Airbus can easily remove the Kingfisher order from the books withing going negative. I think these 'orphaned' orders stay on the books for legal reasons. I assume Airbus are still pursuing a financial claim against Kingfisher. Cheers Geoff |
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Post by philidor on Jan 6, 2016 17:22:48 GMT 1
I think these 'orphaned' orders stay on the books for legal reasons. I assume Airbus are still pursuing a financial claim against Kingfisher. I agree about the legal approach. I think one aspect is that Airbus wants to make sure that anybody interested in reviving the empty Kingfisher shell (for whatever reason) would have to discuss with them. |
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