Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Jan 12, 2015 16:12:10 GMT 1
Great to see that Delta, of all airlines, has so much confidence in Airbus! I think this is further proof that the deal was done as soon as Airbus launched the type and the official signing came later with the other half of the widebody order.
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Post by philidor on Jan 12, 2015 16:25:52 GMT 1
Great to see that Delta, of all airlines, has so much confidence in Airbus! I think this is further proof that the deal was done as soon as Airbus launched the type and the official signing came later with the other half of the widebody order. Maybe the price was still to be determined ... DL used competition pressure to get a better deal.
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Post by XWB on Jan 12, 2015 17:59:11 GMT 1
I think this is further proof that the deal was done as soon as Airbus launched the type and the official signing came later with the other half of the widebody order. I would think so. Delta basically said there was no competition on the Atlantic contest. Only the Pacific contest was between the A350-900 and 787-9. (from twitter.com/e_russell)
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Baroque
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Jan 12, 2015 18:14:45 GMT 1
Post by Baroque on Jan 12, 2015 18:14:45 GMT 1
I think even Boeing would have known that they lost half the deal as soon as Delta laid out the RFP for 50 aircraft. There was no way they were going to be able to supply 50 787s in that time frame and even struggled to get enough slots to compete for the other half.
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Post by XWB on Jan 12, 2015 18:16:38 GMT 1
But what would DL have ordered without the A330neo? Additional CEO's?
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Baroque
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Jan 12, 2015 18:28:57 GMT 1
Post by Baroque on Jan 12, 2015 18:28:57 GMT 1
Interesting question...
I can think of 2 possibilities:
- they would go for A330ceos. - they would settle for some 767s and/or 77Ls until they get new 787 slots later (which still would be excessive/expensive for the missions required).
I think we can see why Richard Anderson pushed Airbus really hard for several months to get the re-engine going. It's better than both of these options.
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Post by s543 on Jan 12, 2015 22:43:57 GMT 1
I do believe you are correct Baroque. Up to that we do know that DELTA has huge workforce and equipment for servicing of ancient or old - whatever - planes. They do have a fleet over 17 (!) years old. They have no problem taking dozens of rather old planes, i.e. they could have lived happily with the old 330s+767s and they could even during wait lease some old 330s which are available on the market. They still have 95 !!! 767 so the whole order - replaces just a few. Let's hope one more similar order will arrive from them in few years. Or they will take the second hand 380s from Emirates - I know they deny it - but it would fit nicely
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Jan 13, 2015 0:20:48 GMT 1
Delta has adopted an expansive culture of protecting themselves against market uncertainties. Recall that they also now own an oil refinery.
The really smart part of the A330neo order is that they now have an aircraft that rivals the 787 on operating costs in the specified mission range, but the low capex nature of their purchase means that they are not pressured to utilise them aggressively and can afford to reduce frequencies whenever needed or, in the worst case, simply park away a few aircraft during off season times.
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Post by philidor on Jan 13, 2015 0:36:21 GMT 1
Delta has adopted an expansive culture of protecting themselves against market uncertainties. ..... ... And keeping investment costs as low as possible is one of the best ways or reducing risks.
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Post by Jkkw on Jan 13, 2015 1:25:38 GMT 1
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