philidor
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Post by philidor on Sept 30, 2014 16:29:48 GMT 1
The A350 flight test programme has been one of the smoothest in civilian aviation recent history. A great achievement for Airbus !
Airbus certification teams still have a lot of work cut out for them :
- amendments to A359 certification (various improvements, weight reduction) ;
- A350-1000 certification ;
- A319neo/A320neo/A321neo certification, with in all three cases two different engine types ;
- later, A338 and A339 certification.
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Post by Baroque on Sept 30, 2014 17:04:52 GMT 1
Airbus certification teams still have a lot of work cut out for them : Yes, but we have to enjoy every bit of this moment. This is probably going to be the last ALL-NEW widebody to be brought into the world for another 15-20 years.  |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Sept 30, 2014 23:54:46 GMT 1
That's a depressing thought, Baroque ! That you are probably right makes it even more depressing...
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Post by peter on Oct 1, 2014 16:17:16 GMT 1
Airbus certification teams still have a lot of work cut out for them : Yes, but we have to enjoy every bit of this moment. This is probably going to be the last ALL-NEW widebody to be brought into the world for another 15-20 years. If you had said 5-10 years I would have agreed, 15-20 is too long in my opinion. Little over ten years ago who would have imagined "plastic" aircraft flying around and in service in 2014. |
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Oct 1, 2014 17:01:06 GMT 1
If you had said 5-10 years I would have agreed, 15-20 is too long in my opinion. Little over ten years ago who would have imagined "plastic" aircraft flying around and in service in 2014. 10 years is 2025. We would probably see the mid-life upgrades of the existing widebodies, but I cannot see any all new ones entering service by then, unless Airbus kills the A380 and goes for a new VLA twin and I also don't believe they would roll out another all new widebody to meet the sub-300 seat segment. 15-20 years is 2030-2035, which is about the right time for replacements of current generation aircraft. 10 years ago, Boeing did see the need for the replacement of the aging 767 and that's why we have the 787. |
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Post by helios91 on Oct 1, 2014 17:10:04 GMT 1
Airbus has relese official pictures of the A350 EASA certification ceremony   |
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s543
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Post by s543 on Oct 1, 2014 21:59:16 GMT 1
Sorry but I do agree with Baroque there.
A350 was brand new design - new plane, like the 787.
What was the other new plane seen before those two ?
A330 almost 20 years ago and NB 737NG, but was it a new one or refinement ? It had the similar body, tail... I would consider it not a new plane.
We are going to see couple of NEOs, MAXes and upgrades for sure. But even 777-900 is not new plane it is an update to existing design. I believe the first brand new plane will be new NB and I do believe that 15 years is too short time it will take longer.
We might possibly see some "new 757" from boeing, since 737-900 is not a competition to A321 and frankly they must be unhappy with the situation in this segment. But who knows.....
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Post by XWB on Oct 1, 2014 22:02:19 GMT 1
The next clean-sheet designs should be the 737 and A320 successors, between 2025 - 2030 (with or without a 757 replacement). A new wide-body is probably not going to happen before 2030. The 787 and A350 have a lot of room for improvement and engine upgrades during the next decade. Those aircraft are going to sell 2,000+ copies each before being replaced.
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Post by addasih on Oct 1, 2014 22:06:24 GMT 1
The next clean-sheet designs should be the 737 and A320 successors, between 2025 - 2030 (with or without a 757 replacement). A new wide-body is probably not going to happen before 2030. The 787 and A350 have a lot of room for improvement and engine upgrades during the next decade. Those aircraft are going to sell 2,000+ copies each before being replaced. It all depends how successful Bombardier CSeries will be in my opinion and if BBD they will launch CS500 and CS700. If it was successful, A & B may reconsider their position and advance the creation of clean sheet NB. |
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s543
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Post by s543 on Oct 1, 2014 23:05:37 GMT 1
Still the new NB will not be for sure certified before 2030 what ever the BBD/EMB does, and I do not believe they are too big threat for AB/BO. Road to EIS of CS100 is slipping - it is already years behind schedule and I would not bet on the EIS in time published earlier this year. Before CS700 ? will be in production in quantities of dozens per month to make problems to AB/BO a lot of water will flow in rivers - if ever this will happen - I do not believe it is possible.
It seems that we all agree that there will not be completely new WB for more than 20 years.
It shows us more the importance of those moments.
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