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Post by pa380scal on Dec 3, 2015 10:21:32 GMT 1
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Post by bmw801 on Dec 3, 2015 10:37:32 GMT 1
Thats additional good news from Airbus and of course for Spring, although not a firm order for now. From Bloomberg: Pdxlight mentions an undisclosed order for 60neo including 8xA319, 39xA320 and 13 A321 from 12.2013 This one could be for Spring Airlines, but that is just speculation and would rise aigain the question about the definition for: firm order Therefore i hop this will be a new Order. |
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Post by philidor on Dec 4, 2015 10:21:22 GMT 1
Pdxlight mentions an undisclosed order for 60neo including 8xA319, 39xA320 and 13 A321 from 12.2013 This one could be for Spring Airlines, but that is just speculation and would rise aigain the question about the definition for: firm order Therefore i hop this will be a new Order. Sorry, the 2013 agreement you refer to was a MoU, not a firm order (please check the column in the pdxlight spreadsheet). So, the undisclosed customer might indeed be Spring Airlines, if they just firmed the previous agreement. A suspensive clause probably makes implementation dependent on government authorisation. |
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Post by Jkkw on Dec 7, 2015 10:16:12 GMT 1
November Orders Monthly net: 157: Gross: 169, YTD Net: 1007, Gross: 1079 Korean Air: 30 A321neo Aer Lingus: 2 A330-300 Iberia: 12 A320neo, 3 A321neo, 2 A330-200 VietJet: 9 A321ceo, 21 A321neo TAP Portugal: 15 A320neo, 24 A321neo, 14 A330-900 easyJet: 6 A320ceo, 30 A320neo Private Customer: 1 A330-200 CancellationsTAP: 12 A350-900 Some of the A321neos ordered by TAP are of the 'LR' Varient 
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Post by XWB on Dec 15, 2015 16:36:57 GMT 1
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Post by Jkkw on Dec 21, 2015 12:20:47 GMT 1
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Post by someone on Dec 21, 2015 13:03:44 GMT 1
At first I though this was a "recycling" of the order announced in early November for 15 NEOs, but I see now this is a separate new order |
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Post by Jkkw on Dec 23, 2015 11:43:44 GMT 1
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Post by s543 on Dec 23, 2015 12:11:16 GMT 1
Nice to know. I doubt we will ever understand completely the working of those Chinese TSA......   |
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Post by philidor on Dec 23, 2015 15:24:35 GMT 1
I doubt we will ever understand completely the working of those Chinese TSA...... I already explained that this is a two-step process. The central government never initiates the purchase of a civilian aircraft. A draft agreement, including a suspensive clause, must first be signed between an airline and an aircraft manufacturer, and an application for approval must be filed by the airline with the government. Approval usually is just rubber-stamping (except if some political issue is raised, as happened with the European tax on airliners not so long ago). The government however often puts together applications from several companies and approves them as a whole, with no public mention of the companies involved (probably because the government likes to emphasise its own decision-making power). The purchase contracts between the planemaker and the airlines concerned then enter into force. In the case of the A330 deal, Airbus' offer of opening a completion center in China called for a negociation with the government. As usual however, the agreement had to be backed, before signature, by draft contracts with airlines, which were not immediately disclosed. I suspect that the options mentioned in the agreement were backed by deals still in the making (I might be wrong). The name of the airlines, and the size of their respective orders, will be known separately when the customer so wishes. The most confusing aspect is that additional Chinese A330 orders (not taken into account in the agreement with the central government) might be recorded by Airbus at any time. EDIT : s543 is right, we'll never know all the arcane aspects of this system. |
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