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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 9, 2015 21:22:05 GMT 1
They're waiting for at least 20 A350s to enter service on a variety of routes in order to evaluate its performance. To me, this is the most telling point. Block 3 (= the first A350s that should be at 'normal' weight) starts with MSN 21, so EK may be waiting for data on block 3 aircraft operation before making a decision. More broadly, the postponement shows that either this order is tied by EK to the A380neo launch, or that the contest is very close. So they are waiting to see the first 5 Block 3 frames ? Do we know the weight difference from block 2 to 3 ? I don't like the idea that an order for the A350 is dependant on another aircraft types launch ! |
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Post by s543 on Nov 9, 2015 21:26:13 GMT 1
I don't like the idea that an order for the A350 is dependant on another aircraft types launch ! I am pretty sure it has some not insignificant influence on the whole deal - with both OEMs. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 9, 2015 22:17:13 GMT 1
I don't like the idea that an order for the A350 is dependant on another aircraft types launch ! I am pretty sure it has some not insignificant influence on the whole deal - with both OEMs. I don't like the term OEM Quote - OEM is Similar to VAR While an OEM is similar to a VAR (value-added reseller), it refers specifically to the act of a company branding a product to its own name and offering its own warranty, support and licensing of the product. The term is really a misnomer because OEMs are not the original manufacturers; they customize the original product. I prefer the terms maker, manufacturer or producer etc  |
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Post by Baroque on Nov 10, 2015 1:06:44 GMT 1
You're quite right in that the term OEM is misused often (even by me). Strictly speaking, I believe it refers to the various suppliers of equipment subsystems found in the finished product. In the case of aircraft, examples are Honeywell, Panasonic, Thales etc. This is something even my sibling who works with aerospace industry clients corrected me on, oops. However, I also believe that for any subsystem/component Airbus makes in-house, they are they OEM for that. |
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Post by henge on Nov 10, 2015 1:40:08 GMT 1
I don't like the idea that an order for the A350 is dependant on another aircraft types launch ! Unfortunately, I think that in any industry that deals with such extreme extreme unit prices and low quantities as aviation, normal market mechanisms don't work. There is so much political pressure and corruption going on that this linking of A380neo launch and A350 order seems comparatively innocent... |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 10, 2015 1:54:40 GMT 1
I don't like the idea that an order for the A350 is dependant on another aircraft types launch ! Unfortunately, I think that in any industry that deals with such extreme extreme unit prices and low quantities as aviation, normal market mechanisms don't work. There is so much political pressure and corruption going on that this linking of A380neo launch and A350 order seems comparatively innocent... Normal market mechanisms should work, that's the law ! I will soon find out then that the IAAF / FIFA have just bought 200 SSJs for Aeroflot /  ? PS where are the football World Cup and olympics going soon  |
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 10, 2015 2:23:13 GMT 1
They're waiting for at least 20 A350s to enter service on a variety of routes in order to evaluate its performance. To me, this is the most telling point. Block 3 (= the first A350s that should be at 'normal' weight) starts with MSN 21, so EK may be waiting for data on block 3 aircraft operation before making a decision. More broadly, the postponement shows that either this order is tied by EK to the A380neo launch, or that the contest is very close. This isn't real clear to me, are they waiting to have 20 A350s in service to make a decision, that way then block 3 wouldn't even be reached?... Or are they looking at 20 frames of Block 3 to be in service, meaning roughly 40 frames in service total?..... |
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Post by s543 on Nov 10, 2015 8:38:49 GMT 1
My goodness.....!!! They are waiting until AB makes the A380neo.  |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 10, 2015 11:34:10 GMT 1
To me, this is the most telling point. Block 3 (= the first A350s that should be at 'normal' weight) starts with MSN 21, so EK may be waiting for data on block 3 aircraft operation before making a decision. More broadly, the postponement shows that either this order is tied by EK to the A380neo launch, or that the contest is very close. This isn't real clear to me, are they waiting to have 20 A350s in service to make a decision, that way then block 3 wouldn't even be reached?... Or are they looking at 20 frames of Block 3 to be in service, meaning roughly 40 frames in service total?..... 20 frames in service is MSN 6 - MSN 25 so 21 - 25 being block 3. |
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Post by Jkkw on Nov 10, 2015 12:54:05 GMT 1
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